I had just moved to NYC at that time too, and remember what the neighborhood was like before it became a more familiar Soho. Seems alright to me, if perhaps not very clear or concise. We live in its alps-shadow. Let them shine for one hour. Frankly, as a poet, my own visual and musical education has been at least as important as my poetic one. )\rI have some reviews coming out in the London Review of Books & Poetry that might interest you, Thomas, since they take as their premise that readers must always be doing work. A few quick notes. If you have to annotate a text you'll be expected to write down comments, ideas and explanations next to the text itself. What you say about John Ashbery reminds me of bound feet, Michael Robbins.\r \rHow beautiful the gait in the cool imperial household, how delicately refined, porcelain movements behind the screen, willow sheltered, ancient blue, perfect nuanced white frozen on the plate.\rWorth studying in the study, worth having all that free time and deep thoughts to settle late at night.\rWorth the pain, the cruel mess of toes crushed into a tiny, shrieking sausage.\rWorth the light girl lost, worth the lost skip. (It's worth comparing "As One Put Drunk" with "Sailing to Byzantium. Makes me feel right at home in a world I'd love to be---a glass of wine, imagine, and I think she's wearing tights!\rAlso, if there is a specific poem that goes with that very striking lithograph, why don't you post it? In 1951, poet Frank O'Hara got a job selling postcards at the gift shop of the Museum of Modern Art in New York City—just so he could have access to see the paintings. Where and when I can. Every plane is a plane and there is to be no representation.” In the context of the Russian revolution this could be seen more as a political and ideological expression than and aesthetic one, a rhetorical rather than a painterly gesture, utopian in its intent to mark the death of the bourgeois past and the beginning of a new Soviet Russia. It's not a poetry for readers who desire a style that will put an end to understanding, to questioning. Go with what you got.\rTerreson, Do I dare? his 'idiot,' prince myshkin, was a calligraphic master, among other things. \rhttp://www.ou.edu/worldlit/onlinemagazine/2007May/20quintais-earl.pdf\rMartin, Thanks for that, Martin, and I'll follow up the URL and get back to you at an appropriate moment.\rAlso, of course I'm new here--indeed I'm new to everything. The Zen masters said it took a lifetime to make one stroke well. Prophetic vision was a regular feature of both his powerful poetry and his symbolically resonant painting. Richard and Mafalda sitting beneath a Pontus Carle painting, Lisbon 2008. I was reminded that no poet could be as blithe as Ashbery seems to be, and suddenly all his evasive poetry seemed to be pouring in from a different direction, the fractured nature of his prose-poems arising not from elan, but from silence and heartbreak. First though, thanks for the up to date look into the difficulties of painting in NYC & Brooklyn (someone who actually met Tsvetaeva…that’s very cool)…and your brother must be a hero for putting up with New York. John Oliver Simon, Annie and Michael...\rI thought I'd tip you off with a link to where I keep my first drafts. casket on shoulders crammed with sausages & mouths The man produced some pretty trippy and interesting images, many of which are instantly recognizable. John Lennon: Published in Liverpool music mag Mersey Beat on the 27 Feb 1964, ‘The Tales of Hermit Fred’ and ‘The Land… (I'm not saying you do this, Thomas.) How fortuitous, in my spew above that I used the following to describe Ashbery:\r"We err is by assuming that the accessible is shallow and the inaccessible is deep. For the arts wanting ongoing conversations with one another. The enjoyable surface of a poem pulls the reader back to it and into slowly appreciating the levels beneath that surface, granting that there are such levels; and that is where a knowledgeable reader becomes a blessing. Despite all his accolades as a static visual artist, however, Schnabel began pursuing narrative filmmaking. Underlying nihilism, yes, but a surprising, and even refreshing, confidence in his art. It sounds cool, though. i mean, real voodoo shit.\rbut he's staying on, since there are two extra rooms he's turned into studio space. "\rAnd why not?\rAnd because I'm so old and not in the running for anything left in the literary life, let me venture to say that I think it's a habit. I think of it more as Boba Fett vs. Cliff Clavin in the Bachelorette. I guess we know who Kaltica supports! And yet the first representational art was found near Schelklingen in Germany and dates back the to beginnings of the Upper Paleolithic period, 35, to 40,000 years ago. Oslo, France, that is. The man produced some... 3. He followed up Basquiat with Before Night Falls, an adaption of Reinaldo Arenas's autobiography about persecution of homosexuals in 1970s Cuba (featuring a breakthrough performance by Javier Bardem as Arenas). Throw away all three, Tere---obviously your dictionaries aren't for poets as they've failed to spot the metaphor!\rInteresting word, actually. . \r~\rNow, i was thinking of joshing with you Mickey, by winding you up about the anti-intellectual crack, which is comedic really, to try and don a bit of wankery as the cloak a knowing one who knows the Auraicept na N-Éces has to wear when sporting intellectually with the non-faux and psuedo-phenomenologists displaying airy-fairy anti-intellectualism on the blog, which far from wearying. I'm a little on Terreson's side here; I'm wary of the easy mix of painting and poetry; I never liked the Imagists, and I dislike most modern art, just as I dislike nearly all the ideas and manifestos of modern art. This divided view of Ashbery is the crack in the House of Modernism, that divide which rips in two the Public for Poetry, since Modernism will always seem to be AGAINST the general public before it seems FOR anything else. Even if you're not that familiar with his broader body of work, or even his place in art history, you know who this guy is, so I'll skip the introductions and move straight on to Picasso's writings. In reality there's nobody at home at all!\rPhilip Larkin lived, worked, loved and died in a very unified and sensible identity. Here's an example: The boat glided off and lay steeped in a kind of supernatural peace . Everyone wants to be a writer—deep down anyway. Such a beautiful world grew up around them, but what a tragedy for girls. At any rate, my interest here is that written language developed out of pictograms, much later. I only went there once or twice to meet this tall Swede in his paint-streaked foreman’s outfit, who spoke three languages fluently, and yet employed each with a different tone of reticence. I said what I said, then dude's gonna write twelve pages, half of them in Gaelic dada? Speaking of contemporary artists turned authors, did you hear about Yayoi Kusama literary career? ]\rBut it's true too in a sense, and to show you what I mean here's a little matter arising, a fable for our condition and times. He is described as a romantic poet. Ashbery won't be pinned down; he won't argue; he won't fight. Just one in particular. Unity of effect is perhaps the single most important criterion in aesthetics; poets once understood this; now they do not. This is what allows an educated person to come along, much later and utter:\rI think often of the astonishing “As One Put Drunk into a Packet Boat.” \rErudition in love with erudition! It can all get a bit on the airy fairy side. In the post above I am really just trying to figure out why there has been such a connection between visual art and poetry. \rBut to the point you make at the end of your post: “…we are constantly facing the severe limitations of our favorite medium and trying to break free. I think you feel you'll get laughed at for even thinking there's meaning in what you read what is more meaning for you, for your life, for your own understanding.\rAnd if I'm right, how does that affect what you write in turn? How misplaced is the criticism of comfort! Painters and poets have been wed from the beginning. Seeing this movie is no jaunty trip to the cinema. Victorian-era poet Emily Dickinson apparently wrote around 1800 poems, mostly revolving around themes such as death and immortality. You need ONE memorable poem, at least. Christopher,\rThanks for launching this thread on such a positive note.\rThe top photograph is in Richard Zenith’s sala. Like judging Picasso's literary output, distinctions of good and bad concerning Warhol's work are subjective to the reader. Although, for two years he was gravely ill, and mostly stayed in France. Anyway, here's my spew, which I just posted anonymously on his blog:\rOf course poems should be accessible. I think you have to be urban English to realize that self-positioning is all you do. it's exactly parallel to the struggle against death, Margo,\rThanks for citing Dylan T. Here's link to him reading it live.\rhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrZnw3BZg18\rMartin, Sorry Christopher,\rFor misleading...\rBut the idea of shame was never present. Let me have it!\rChristopher. So I talked. Back in the twenties Frida Kahlo did a bunch of postcard size paintings. It's only good form to not comment on a poem you don't like, don't you think? Some critics called Hughes' poems "low-rate" Hughes broke new ground in poetry when he began to write verse that incorporated how Black people talked and the jazz and blues music they played. Blake was deeply interested in the Gnostics , the early Christian mystical sect, and much of his work is influenced by Gnostic ideas that have continued to influence generations of visionary artists, esotericists, writers and thinkers. read this poet's poems. Percy Bysshe Shelley was born August 4, 1792, at Field Place, near Horsham, Sussex, England. Desmond Swords wrote:\r"I find it odd, here we are, all working at various levels and in various degrees of seriousness, in the contemporary Poetry biz, which is entirely formed by and run along competitive lines, where Prize and Winning is (almost) the sole measure of poetic success to most, and yet one of the very operators at the heart of the industry, a sinecured near-ollamh with wit and intelligence, refuses to play the game of speech in print. Having done so you wait. I once mentioned this to my friend Luís Quintais, a poet and anthropologist. my soap? Thanks to Aristotle and a misreading of Poe, he doesn't have to.\rAristotle said poetry was imitation, which is precisely why Plato did not trust it, for poetic imitation is 1) inaccurate 2) unlearned and 3) there’s no certainty it will be socially useful. \rThe inaccessible is always flat and shallow, like an Ashbery poem– which typically lacks a unity of effect; this lack is a sprawl, a flatness; it has no depth. \rThe cruel irony, of course, is that being so good at what he does has locked him in it.\rWhat I worry about is teachers like you, Michael, who hold him hostage to your arid theories, and of course palm them off on generations of students. I should have been so articulate. 3x3. The equalizing cardboard-night\rfelt like an old breath full and yet not\rpast the center stirrings of a new summer \rlong winter obscurely wandering away, \rnotice the mid-point postponed, smelled \rlimpid as a catalogue staring at the new\rwell. 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